Starters

[RandalPark@xxxxxxx]

The fact that your sources tell you that the "early" 1960 starter will fit and 
"late" 1960 starter won't leads me to believe that they are inaccurate. 1960 
starters are all the same. I have never owned a '59 or tried to buy a starter 
for one, but I do have two '60s, one of them for over 40 years (Mom bought it 
new). I have replaced the starter on both of them. Electrically there was a 
change during the 1960 model year. That was the switch from a generator to an 
alternator. 

I have been told that 1956 through 1961 starters are all the same. I have an 
extra 1956 starter, and it does look the same as the 1960, but I have never 
tried to install it on the later car (probably won't either). The engine was 
changed significantly between 1958 and 1959. This engine was used for many 
years, but due to a change in the transmission for 1962, that year's starter is 
totally different. Even so, I have been told be some that it will fit in the 
early cars, but I have not ever tried it either.

I am sure that there is some way of verifying all of this, and I expect it has 
been throughly discussed at some point in the IML. Try searching the archives 
and see what you find.

Paul

In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:11:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chad Smith" 
<hemi_powered@xxxxxxx> writes:

>Paul:
>
>Teresa (not Theresa) was told by more than one parts outlet that the starter 
>for the 1959 was unique to the 1959, that a 1960 may work, but the 1961 that 
>lives not far from me does not have the same starter. �Please enlighten me if 
>you know otherwise.
>
>Teresa
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> �From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx<mailto:RandalPark@xxxxxxx>
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> �Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:00 PM
> �Subject: Re: IML: engine removal and reinstallation
>
>
> �Now this is interesting. Theresa says that '59 has a one year only starter. 
>I have always thought that the starter used on Imperials was the same for 
>1959, 1960, and 1961. In '62 Imperial finally changed to the gear reduction 
>drive unit that we are so familiar with for so long.
>
> �Paul
>
> �In a message dated 7/15/2004 9:48:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chad Smith" 
><hemi_powered@xxxxxxx<mailto:hemi_powered@xxxxxxx>> writes:
>
> �>Cheers Kate! I have seen the sorry little man down the street laying on his 
>back under his Dodge pickup with a tranny on his torso trying to heft a 
>transmission up into his truck having not heeded this very advice. It was 
>quite a sight, I think that tranny may have weighed just about as much as 
>him...LOL
> �>
> �>I have watched my father, brother, and husband (all mechanics) hoist 
>engine/tranny out as one unit for many, many years, and for those very good 
>reasons that you listed. I appreciate your two cents, it is nice to hear from 
>you. An experienced mechanic should be able to take the entire thing out in 
>not much longer than just the engine. As you mentioned, not only worth the 
>time...but definitely worth saving the risk of ruining any parts.
> �>
> �>In my case, the starter for my 1959 is a one year starter. A replacement, 
>while not only hard to find, is very costly compared to other Mopar starters. 
>My father has his own version of the penny saved story, and goes like this "A 
>penny saved is better than a penny earned...you've already paid taxes on it." 
>Unless you have money to burn, and time to hunt down those ever elusive parts, 
>your point is well taken.
> �>
> �>Thanks again!
> �>
> �>Teresa Smith
> �>1959 Imperial South Hampton Custom
> �>Kennewick, WA
> �> ----- Original Message -----
> �> From: Kate 
>Triplett<mailto:ad_ablurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ad_ablurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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>mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> �> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:57 AM
> �> Subject: IML: engine removal and reinstallation
> �>
> �>
> �> Ok guys, just two cents from a 5'-4" 140 pound woman with too many 
>permanently mashed knuckles and a healthy respect for iron tonnage.
> �>
> �> It may be one heck of a lot more work to pull all the radiator support 
>hardware, grille, etc to get that engine and tranny out as a unit, but I can 
>guarantee you that it is worth the extra effort!
> �>
> �> NOT having to lift nearly half a ton of fragile metal parts out of a rats 
>nest of iron protrusions and hoses, wires etc and getting it high enough and 
>angled enough to have the tailshaft clear the floor AND not hang up and damage 
>anything in the process is worth the extra time by itself.
> �>
> �> The OTHER important benefit of having the front end stuff out of the way 
>is that you will not have to mate up the engine and transmission while you are 
>under the car, swearing a blue streak and hurting your (already bashed) 
>fingers, and those of the other person you will have to have helping you reef 
>the darn thing in!
> �>
> �> I have seen too many shadetree mechanics do considerable damage to input 
>splines, bolt flanges, starter parts, etc., to take this advantage lightly. 
>Mating up an engine and transmission on the ground outside is a job. Doing it 
>blind while half of the parts are not in sight and just that little bit out of 
>alignment is a long and painful stay in purgatory. A little extra time will 
>likely save you untold misery and possible injury - to you and the car!
> �>
> �> As before, just my two hard-earned cents....
> �>
> �> Kate Justet Triplett
> �> Kate's Custom Gunleather
> �> Monroe, WA
> �> "Lucille" 1968 Crown 4 door HT
> �>
>
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